career stops at level 65 - Principal Applied Scientist Microsoft Employee Review

2.0
Nov 5, 2015
Recommend
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Pros

good place to join as a junior, if you work hard you will stand out of the herd and promote quickly. work life balance depends on the team too much so if you have the chance, prefer teams with applied scientists, even if you're not one. bing search relevance, bing ads, speech, and more teams... you can ask directly to the recruiter if the team is all software devs or if there are scientists too. if you want to ask indirectly, ask if the team is doing anything to improve Cortana. good comp, at least in the silicon valley.

Cons

microsoft decided to cut the lead role last year and turned all leads back to ICs. what used to happen normally in a 20-30 people team was that there are 3-4 leads for several well-defined and non-overlapping areas with 3-5 people underneath each, and maybe a few principal ICs reporting to the dev manager since they are too senior to report to the leads. upper management decided to cut the lead layer for whatever reason. now as far as I can tell there is no single person that's happier. 1. (ex-)leads: obvious. they got demoted. no paycut but hey, who likes being demoted? lots of people left immediately, many ex-leads are still leaving. 2. ICs: little/no sense of focus or attachment for junior ICs. out of collage newhires are simply lost. since leads only had small teams they used to have quite a lot of time for the new guys. now your manager has 20+ reports and runs from one meeting to another. and honestly there is little/no seniorIC-to-juniorIC mentorship unless you happen to go to a team with good people. there is nothing at microsoft that rewards mentoring juniors. 3. managers: they used to have 3-4 leads and plus a few principal ICs reporting to them. now 20+ direct reports. no time to do 1-on-1's and every single thing from the most important to the least escalates to you. 4. lack of management track: lead position was a stepping stone for becoming a manager later on. now it's gone and there is no track for ICs that want to see themselves managing a team in X years. if you're at microsoft ask this to your manager: "what should I do today if I want to become a manager in X years". They won't have any answer. because there is none. No management track whatsoever. the chances you'll be managing a team is equal to somebody in the management chain leaving. and even if you would call that a management track (I wouldn't) that's the worst management track imaginable. think about it. One day you're an IC. next day you have 20+ people reporting to you.

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5.0
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Pros

Great benefits In federal, you can get a bonus for government clerances Good work culture Value based organization

Cons

lots of change lots of churn federal side does not align to commercial side work life balance is hard with "unlimited PTO"

4.0
Jan 28, 2013
Anonymous employee
Recommend
CEO approval
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Pros

1. If you love tech, this is a great place. No doubt you'll talk tech (mostly the MSFT stack) from enterprise to consumer - from PCs to phones to Xboxes - from datacenter to desktop. 2. What were GREAT benefits are now VERY GOOD (took a small step down) but still probably better than you'll find at 99% of large corporations. If you've got family - the value of the benefits is even higher. 401k match is nice. 3. Even with it's struggles MSFT is still a cash printing machine. This means if you can keep your nose clean and do reasonable work, you can have a stable job, pay your bills, feed your family, and not worry (too much) about layoffs. The stock you own likely won't tank, but probably won't go up much either. You'll get a bonus each year and some stock. It's a decent life if you aren't looking to light the world on fire.

Cons

Brand on Your Resume: After many years of losing market share and struggling to be at the front end of innovation and the fact that there's 90,000 employees, don't think MSFT is necessarily going to be attractive on your resume to more agile and smaller companies. Managing Your Career: Make you say this out loud so it registers - 90,000 employees work there. Double that for vendors. It is VERY hard to "stand out" and move up in the company. Don't expect your manager to be much of an advocate or enabler to help you meet your career goals - they are basically trying to survive the stack rank every year too. Not familiar with the stack rank? Check out the 2012 Vanity Fair article called "Microsoft's Lost Decade".

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